Mijik and ObservationsF e r r a r i on 26 Jun 2007 08:16 pm
Its a fashion pulling the leg of Udit Narayan, Madhushree, Sadhana Sargam and other singers saying their pronounciation is bad. Agreed. They butcher tamil. Now I have few questions
1. Have you guys heard Bhanumathi, KJ Yesudas etc sing? pillai nila romba nalla pronounciation aa? If that is not butchering then what is?
2. What about Lata Mangeshkar and Asha Bhosle butchering Tamil?
3. Radhika, Vijayakanth and many more so called Tamil actors blabber something and call it Tamil. What about that?
Why target Udit & Co alone?
on 26 Jun 2007 at 8:29 pm # Karthi-bangalore
In that sense ..”Shreya” is better?
on 26 Jun 2007 at 8:46 pm # Banu
Prabhu
There is a difference between butchering every other song and just a couple of songs and later correcting and rendering gems.So we can leave yesudas out in this who is defnitely not to be compared with the butchering of the others you have mentioned.I would certainly accept with lata and asha but I dont mind too much because of the number of songs they have sung in tamil.
As said Shreya is defnitely among the league
on 26 Jun 2007 at 8:59 pm # F e r r a r i
Karthik,
Shreya is too good
Banu,
Avanga ellam thamizh pronounciation pathi pesaradhu konjam over illa?
Agreed. But at same time dont movies reflect reality? Half the people who complain about Madhushree and Udit Narayan cant even read or write tamil. Nor can they speak properly. How about that?
on 26 Jun 2007 at 9:30 pm # Krishna
Prabhu,
There have been some great singers including PBS who can be accused to bad Thamizh delivery. Its understandable as none of the singers are originally thamizh. Towards the end of their career, they were a lot better. Reason being the sheer volume of songs they sang in Thamizh.
Agreed most of the singers do butcher the language, but Udit seems to be consistent and complete in doing it. Kadhal Pisase alone is a great example. One has to wait and see for a few more years and a few hundred more songs and see if he will improve.
A lot of people comment about a lot of different things…You can be bad at something and yet comment if someone else is bad or worse. This has been the case and will continue to be the case. Being good at something was never a requirement for commenting.
All said and done, Lyrics is a key aspect for a song (used to be that way atleast) and not delivering it to perfection is a cardinal sin. It kills the beauty.
on 26 Jun 2007 at 9:31 pm # Sundaresan
agreed with u…why only Udit and sadhana? i beg to differ with u on Shreya..her voice is excellent and soothing…but, have you heard 7G song that Shreya sang? ‘Zha’ didnt come…its MDs who should make sure the diction is rightly rendered.
on 26 Jun 2007 at 9:34 pm # sangs
totally agree with u on this.In fact, i actually would appreciate people who dunno a thing abt thamizh(are my la’s and zha’s right ?
) singing a whole song in the same!! And hey,ppl who live in glass houses shouldnt be throwing stones at others !Shreyas got a mesemerizing voice,though I would beg to differ on Udit [ AFAI think, he sings through his nose 
Y ,god.Y??? ]
on 26 Jun 2007 at 9:38 pm # F e r r a r i
Sundaresa,
As Krishna pointed out Shreya is learning. If you listen to her ‘aah aah thamizhamma’ song from KKS she would have pronounced zha as la. But listen to ‘unna vida’ from Virumandi and Munbe vaa. These came at later stages. 7GRC was much early no?
Krishna,
At same time, lets think about people like S Janaki as well. There is a beautiful song from Kalaignan. ‘Endhan nenjil neengadha thendral nee dhaana’. Janaki keech keech nu kathi, that song has lost its charm 
The list goes on. I mean there are many people(including Udit) who do this to beautiful songs. But blaming just Udit as if others were perfect is unfair. Thats what I am trying to say!
I feel Udit is improving. Udit of kuluvalile is different from Sahana. Still not perfect. But much better
Sangs,
Udit sings through Nose. Yuvan Shankar Raja sings with constipation. Everyone has their own style 
Am not a Udit fan for his Tamil songs. When I first listened to Kuluvalile, I was like completely disappointed. I like his Hindi songs
on 26 Jun 2007 at 9:44 pm # Sundaresan
but, it is not the same way when someone from south sings a hindi song..right? how abt Chinmayee sings in hidi? Will they agree this kind of butchering hindi? i dont think so.
on 26 Jun 2007 at 9:46 pm # F e r r a r i
Sundaresan,
I dont know about Chinmayee. But I have heard complaints on SPB, ARR, Chitra and others Hindi pronounciation
on 26 Jun 2007 at 9:55 pm # Sundaresan
oh..then fine…SPB-yavaa?
on 26 Jun 2007 at 10:21 pm # vatsan
rajini vittutengalaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
on 27 Jun 2007 at 12:45 am # gk
eppadi pronounce pannina enna……
pattu nalla irrukka…….
ketka nalla irrukka………….
thats okay…………
on 27 Jun 2007 at 6:51 am # selvi
enakku sadhana sargam voice etho oru lazy woman thookathule paatu sing panra mathiri irukkum ketkarathukku…
on 27 Jun 2007 at 9:16 am # Prabha
i see a huge difference in the version of “Sahana” Udit Narayan has sang and the one Vijay Yesudas has sang…frankly,Udit narayan’s version is not pleasant..
I think it all depends on whether it suits the song..Maybe we might be able to bear his tamil in a peppy number..not in a melodious song like sahana
on 27 Jun 2007 at 10:31 am # Akshu
Udit usually SWALLOW’s many letters in the song he sings ..
Especilly Kadal pisase .. parvaillai from Run and
on 27 Jun 2007 at 10:06 pm # shek
Is pillai nila the only instance you have,of Yesudas butchering Tamil?At the mention of Udit Narayan any lay person a quote innumerable instances.
on 27 Jun 2007 at 11:21 pm # kajan
Coming to the point of Udit and Sadhana, like someone has said, majority of their singing has butchered songs. I am not talking about just Tamil. If you listen to Telugu songs, the same problem rises. Shreya is at least, more professional in that sense in the languages I have heard her sing in so far. Sadhana was perfect in Snegithane and some others, but is never consistent.
I agree with what you said about Yesudas and some other singers. But a large portion of their songs have not been butchered. Even in the days of single takes, they were professional enough to make sure the last recording was perfect. On those instances, like “Thirukovil=Therukovil”, Yesudas has gone on to say that the MD and lyricist failed to point the mistake out to him. But what you see with Udit is just arrogance. I can link you to interviews by MDs where they say Udit gives least importance to correct pronounciation. Given, yes, he is a big singer in Hindi, but we would like the same professional ethics for regional films too. If he can’t take the time in an age where every word can be punched in, then what is the point in giving him songs? Is it right to compare the work of such drastically different times? That is like saying that Maya Bazaar was technically poor compared to today’s special effect films, and therefore, we should not complain about shoddy work today.
Coming to complaints about the pronounciation of southern singers in Hindi, I feel that it is more for the sake of saying so than anything. Hindi is the second language for many and I for one have seen many reviews where individuals praised the work of SPB, Chithra, but bollywood reviewers tore them down. On the other hand, Rahman’s Hindi songs have never been criticized. For that matter, Vani Jayaram could not survive there.
How many songs of Yesudas, Janaki, SPB, Chithra, PBS, Mano, Susheela can you point out with such mistakes? And even if there were errors when they started, how long did it last? Udit, to my knowledge, has been singing in Tamil and Telugu for 12 years. Chinmayi is as equally talented a singer as many. Just not getting the chances to demonstrate her skills.
Regarding the actors and actresses and current population, what can I say? You are right, there is a group of people out there that think not knowing their native language well shows them out as being cool:-) Paavangal.
on 28 Jun 2007 at 12:36 pm # nithya
When it comes to Yesudas, the voice and emotion is so brilliant that it doesn’t matter really… And he doesnt mispronounce consistently.. He does a godly rendering of “thoongadha vizhigal rendu” but kills the opening in “pillai nila”… Still the emotion in the song totally rocks…
Paavam Udit, kuralum so-so, pronunciation adha vida kodumai… enna kodumai saravanan! Sahana wouldve been atleast 10 times better if only it had Naresh or maybe Karthik singing.. A lovely song spoilt by lousy choice of singer…
Udit’s best ever song is Ae ajnabee… nothing comes even remotely close.. avana tamizhla pada vekkara MDs-a odhaikkanum! Inspite of bad pronunciation, you have a reason to go in for Yesudas just for that melody… Udit kitta appadi compellinga enna irukku? But why the hell am i committing such sacrilege comparing a divine voice with just another also-ran!!!
Or for that matter, whats so attractive even in Sadhana sargam or Madhushree’s voice? If you went an extra mile to get Alka Yagnik sing in Tamil, i can understand… certainly not these 2..
But all said and done, ppl who dont know tamizh criticising these guys is a too much. Agree with u on that!:)
on 28 Jun 2007 at 2:39 pm # F e r r a r i
kajan and nithya,
But I like his Hindi songs like Yeh Tara or Yun Hi Chala. My only irritation was people who hardly knew tamil cribbing about Udit 
Agree. I am not a big fan of Udit either
on 28 Jun 2007 at 3:38 pm # KP
Plz include ARR too in that list..Dont understand what (does) he sing in Sivaji ?
on 28 Jun 2007 at 5:48 pm # F e r r a r i
KP,
Have you heard any other song ARR has sung?
on 29 Jun 2007 at 4:45 pm # hari
vittuteengale, thalaivara vittuteengale
nobody kills tamil like him, have not watched sivaji, but in chandramukhi, it was horrible to the core
anyways
sharavannunukku bayamen
on 01 Jul 2007 at 11:21 am # Shshhh....
Ghantasaala, old movies la… he and bhanumathi sang a duet… it was hilarious.. forgot which one…
and good one on radhika… inspite of so many yrs in tamil land, he tamil sucks most of the time… But, ipo ellam yaar pa tamil pesranga.. etho tamil nu nenachi ethayo pesitu poranga… purinja matum pothum…
on 01 Jul 2007 at 11:22 am # Shshhh....
Ghantasaala, old movies la… he and bhanumathi sang a duet… it was hilarious.. forgot which one…
and good one on radhika… inspite of so many yrs in tamil land, he tamil sucks most of the time… But, ipo ellam yaar pa tamil pesranga.. etho tamil nu nenachi ethayo pesitu poranga… purinja matum pothum…
As for ARR, he has screwed la ,zha n all in many of his songs… And doesnt care much when his singers also do that… But, his music makes up for the lapse..
on 06 Aug 2007 at 3:47 pm # rekhs
P-F a bit late on this,but wanted to share this news i got with u guys…
a leading singer whose pronounciation is impeccable was requested by the MD to sing like udit and not so spashtama and the singer in question said he wld rather forego the song than give up his prinicple of not murdering thamizh!
a lot depends on the MD…both lyricist and MD r supposed to b present while song is being recorded…
but this isnt followed at all.
Under the guise of fashion and for the sake of popular acceptance singers r being encouraged to mispronounce!
Aen,YSR-kay thamizh seriya paada varaliyae!!! How do u xpect him to correct others then??
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on 26 Nov 2007 at 11:09 am # jaykay
jus shutup…………………udit is the best of all.nobdy can cum even close 2 udits style f singin….yesudas is a damn.so r others.ii foloow udits style f singing……..no bdy can b compard wit him…………..
on 17 Jan 2008 at 11:35 am # dillo
It was only TMS who can pronunce correctly ‘ZHA’ and ‘LA’
I have not heard any other singers make any effort to differenciate them. In spoken Tamil difference between them has long gone. I dont understand why pople expect them from just Sadhana or Udith. You all excused Sushila, janaki, Latha.and Asha, why so against Sadhana Sargam? I know you cant accept the fact she has the sweetest voice and made all the singers like Chithra and Sujatha pack their bags. Music is a different language it’s mother language is music itself, not Tamil, or Telugu, or hindi. All languages will one day would die out but not the Music