Comments on: Pot calling the kettle black http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/ A Ferrari and Chelsea fan, who seldom writes about them Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:12:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: elite http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-37388 elite Thu, 10 May 2007 13:46:58 +0000 http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-37388 raj, grath bowling on the same spot? r u kidding? he has variety. he bowls all the balls perfect. whether is it a yorker or swinging ball. dont forget the ball to sachin and dravid in supersix match in 1999 WC. both are outswinging ball and grath perfectly bowled it both of them. the ball just kissed theri bat and went to keeper before these two realise. both are at differnet heights. if you could call him boring, he could not bowled in a way that the ball is at the same point ratio to theri heights. this is talent man. where as jaya almost bowls under arm delivery. you cant loft him. mostly if u c, his wkts will be bowled or stumped or catch at the point. yes Gilly smashed jaya in the 07 finals but blame it to the fielding of SL that day. gilly didnt loft the ball. he also played flat. can i now term jaya as negative bowler. u cant say grath like that. he gives batsmen a opp to play where as jaya dont. this is training of dav whatmore, i suspect. the same can be seen in bangla team as well raj,

grath bowling on the same spot? r u kidding? he has variety. he bowls all the balls perfect. whether is it a yorker or swinging ball.
dont forget the ball to sachin and dravid in supersix match in 1999 WC. both are outswinging ball and grath perfectly bowled it both of them. the ball just kissed theri bat and went to keeper before these two realise. both are at differnet heights. if you could call him boring, he could not bowled in a way that the ball is at the same point ratio to theri heights. this is talent man.

where as jaya almost bowls under arm delivery. you cant loft him. mostly if u c, his wkts will be bowled or stumped or catch at the point.

yes Gilly smashed jaya in the 07 finals but blame it to the fielding of SL that day. gilly didnt loft the ball. he also played flat.

can i now term jaya as negative bowler. u cant say grath like that. he gives batsmen a opp to play where as jaya dont.

this is training of dav whatmore, i suspect. the same can be seen in bangla team as well

]]> By: raj http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-37363 raj Thu, 10 May 2007 10:14:01 +0000 http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-37363 And Malinga doesnt throw - and this one, even the biased Western media wont call - why? Because he has an action similar to Jeff Thomson's and White Men dont chuck or cheat E V E R = hence proved And Malinga doesnt throw - and this one, even the biased Western media wont call - why? Because he has an action similar to Jeff Thomson’s and White Men dont chuck or cheat E V E R = hence proved

]]> By: raj http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-37362 raj Thu, 10 May 2007 10:12:36 +0000 http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-37362 elite, by the same token, you could call McGrath boring because he bowls on the same spot and cramps the batsmen. Thats nonsense ofcourse - McGrath is a great bowler and while Jayasurya isnt, there is no reason to slam him for batsmen's inability to hit him. As a matter of fact, Gilchrist pasted jaya in the WC FInals so it can be done - only todays pampered and over hyped batsmen are not able to do it. elite, by the same token, you could call McGrath boring because he bowls on the same spot and cramps the batsmen. Thats nonsense ofcourse - McGrath is a great bowler and while Jayasurya isnt, there is no reason to slam him for batsmen’s inability to hit him. As a matter of fact, Gilchrist pasted jaya in the WC FInals so it can be done - only todays pampered and over hyped batsmen are not able to do it.

]]> By: raj http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-37361 raj Thu, 10 May 2007 10:10:09 +0000 http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-37361 Anand, spot-on. If Sehswag/Younis/Sanath/Ramnaresh had used a squash ball, you can bet your last paisa that ICC and Malcolm Speed would have by now made sanctimonious statements and Mr. Gilly and Mr Ricky would have made lofty noises about the "Spirit of Cricket". Mr Gilly is the one who extracted a lot of mileage out of his "Walking" habit, inspute of being a Rowdy Wicket Keeper who is not exactly averse to laughable LBW appeals for Warne ( how is that int he spirit of Cricket). besides, Gilly uses the Stump Mike to advertise products he endorses. If anyone else did it, esp. an Asian, we would have had loads of bull shit froM the like of Roebuck about the crass commercialisation of the gentleman's game. Western Media has built up a undeserved halo over Gilchrist and an undeserved negative of image of Murali. Sad that the Indian media and casual cricket (non) watchers like the blog owner make big sanctimonious statements withoug an idea of what they are talking about. Anand, spot-on. If Sehswag/Younis/Sanath/Ramnaresh had used a squash ball, you can bet your last paisa that ICC and Malcolm Speed would have by now made sanctimonious statements and Mr. Gilly and Mr Ricky would have made lofty noises about the “Spirit of Cricket”.
Mr Gilly is the one who extracted a lot of mileage out of his “Walking” habit, inspute of being a Rowdy Wicket Keeper who is not exactly averse to laughable LBW appeals for Warne ( how is that int he spirit of Cricket). besides, Gilly uses the Stump Mike to advertise products he endorses. If anyone else did it, esp. an Asian, we would have had loads of bull shit froM the like of Roebuck about the crass commercialisation of the gentleman’s game.
Western Media has built up a undeserved halo over Gilchrist and an undeserved negative of image of Murali. Sad that the Indian media and casual cricket (non) watchers like the blog owner make big sanctimonious statements withoug an idea of what they are talking about.

]]> By: Anand http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-37064 Anand Wed, 09 May 2007 21:47:01 +0000 http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-37064 "How does a spinner get advantage by throwing, I cannot understand." Very true... and btw...the talk has moved away from the point (the squash ball) My point is .. will the Australian team accept it if Sehwag/Sachin have squash balls in their gloves ?? (hehehe.. its different matter whether they will actually make use of it but still..) “How does a spinner get advantage by throwing, I cannot understand.”

Very true…

and btw…the talk has moved away from the point (the squash ball)

My point is .. will the Australian team accept it if Sehwag/Sachin have squash balls in their gloves ??

(hehehe.. its different matter whether they will actually make use of it but still..)

]]> By: elite http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36952 elite Wed, 09 May 2007 17:50:56 +0000 http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36952 hey all, murali and SL is really talented but kudos to them who brought the negative tactics to the game. Aussies picked those very well and used it against almost all the teams and perfectly acheived success. one has to play postivitely, when frustarted those muralis, ashley giles, warnes started using negative tactics which was found by the great ranatunga and followed by the legend steve waugh. can any one tell the way jayasurya is bowling is positive way of playing cricket. he almost bowls a horizontal ball and that too consitently 6 times an over. well u can call that his talent as he didnt cross the cricket rules. but to the spectators it will be boring and brings down the enthu. P.S: on a funny note, indians on this regard should be appreciated as they play very much positive cricket. whether it is a bangladesh, zimbabwe, SL, pak or aus, they will loose or win according to the potential of the opponents ;) hey all,

murali and SL is really talented but kudos to them who brought the negative tactics to the game. Aussies picked those very well and used it against almost all the teams and perfectly acheived success.

one has to play postivitely, when frustarted those muralis, ashley giles, warnes started using negative tactics which was found by the great ranatunga and followed by the legend steve waugh. can any one tell the way jayasurya is bowling is positive way of playing cricket. he almost bowls a horizontal ball and that too consitently 6 times an over. well u can call that his talent as he didnt cross the cricket rules. but to the spectators it will be boring and brings down the enthu.

P.S: on a funny note, indians on this regard should be appreciated as they play very much positive cricket. whether it is a bangladesh, zimbabwe, SL, pak or aus, they will loose or win according to the potential of the opponents ;)

]]> By: Srivathsan http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36866 Srivathsan Wed, 09 May 2007 17:02:41 +0000 http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36866 regarding murali i will feel happy if he passes the good old check of chucking... keep a camlin plastic scale in his arm...if it breaks he is chucking... simple..but powerful[;) regarding murali i will feel happy if he passes the good old check of chucking…

keep a camlin plastic scale in his arm…if it breaks he is chucking…

simple..but powerful[;)

]]> By: anantha http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36809 anantha Wed, 09 May 2007 14:42:51 +0000 http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36809 Ferrari: <i>Cricket thillalangadi neengale ippadi kaekkalaama.</i> heh.. adhu naale dhaan kekkaren. :) <i> Dharmasena, Ranatunga, Vaas. Arent these people enough to showcase the cheating abilities? </i> What? why? <i>Maybe I exaggerated a bit. But these guys cheat a lot. </i> First line a sonnadhaye, eppadi second line la contradict pannara? ;) Ranatunga's by runner issue is what I want to touch on. See according to the rules of cricket (gully or first class / international), you can have a by-runner only if the opposing captain agrees. If everyone else (i.e the other captains) had no issues, why should that be construed cheating. Moreover, I am at a loss to figure out where his "runner" use became so much of an issue. My memories of Ranatunga are not of him using a runner, but him gliding the ball down through the vacant slips and WALKING through for a single. I will try to find out (if at all possible) if he used "runners" to the extent that you seem to think he did. But I suspect that your hatred stems up from a cooked up fact that Indian cricket fans like to repeat to others - like the famed Shastri defensive stroke after he danced coming down the wicket as if he was going to lift the ball over long on or log off. And I am a big fan of Murali and it is sad that he has been reduced to an object of ridicule from everyone and their pet dog for the only reason that he has unnaturally formed arm. Let Murali be. Like someone said, there has been three studies on him and he has been cleared everytime. The other bloody Aussies including the drug chewing, booking friendly Shane Warne (don't get me wrong, I admire Warne for his skills!) and their Prime Minister shoot their mouth off and in doing so, they don't understand that their are dissing one of their own premier universities. As for Dharmasena, he might have been a member of their WC winning squad in '96 (i think), but your putting him into that quartet seems to elevate him into lofty heights. Ferrari:

Cricket thillalangadi neengale ippadi kaekkalaama.

heh.. adhu naale dhaan kekkaren. :)

Dharmasena, Ranatunga, Vaas. Arent these people enough to showcase the cheating abilities?

What? why?

Maybe I exaggerated a bit. But these guys cheat a lot.

First line a sonnadhaye, eppadi second line la contradict pannara? ;)

Ranatunga’s by runner issue is what I want to touch on. See according to the rules of cricket (gully or first class / international), you can have a by-runner only if the opposing captain agrees. If everyone else (i.e the other captains) had no issues, why should that be construed cheating.

Moreover, I am at a loss to figure out where his “runner” use became so much of an issue. My memories of Ranatunga are not of him using a runner, but him gliding the ball down through the vacant slips and WALKING through for a single. I will try to find out (if at all possible) if he used “runners” to the extent that you seem to think he did. But I suspect that your hatred stems up from a cooked up fact that Indian cricket fans like to repeat to others - like the famed Shastri defensive stroke after he danced coming down the wicket as if he was going to lift the ball over long on or log off.

And I am a big fan of Murali and it is sad that he has been reduced to an object of ridicule from everyone and their pet dog for the only reason that he has unnaturally formed arm. Let Murali be. Like someone said, there has been three studies on him and he has been cleared everytime. The other bloody Aussies including the drug chewing, booking friendly Shane Warne (don’t get me wrong, I admire Warne for his skills!) and their Prime Minister shoot their mouth off and in doing so, they don’t understand that their are dissing one of their own premier universities.

As for Dharmasena, he might have been a member of their WC winning squad in ‘96 (i think), but your putting him into that quartet seems to elevate him into lofty heights.

]]> By: Deepak http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36799 Deepak Wed, 09 May 2007 12:45:16 +0000 http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36799 If you are trying to call malinga a chucker i accept but if thats targeted at murali you can t be more wrong He's been cleared not once but thrice by ICC , the irony being all three times the lead scientist is an Australian If you are trying to call malinga a chucker i accept but if thats targeted at murali you can t be more wrong
He’s been cleared not once but thrice by ICC , the irony being all three times the lead scientist is an Australian

]]> By: Sshhhhh http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36793 Sshhhhh Wed, 09 May 2007 11:55:52 +0000 http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36793 You do get carried away.. dont you.. ??? Watch cricket for cricket's sake ba.. afterall chennai fans are known for upholding the 'spirit' of the game... :-p You do get carried away.. dont you.. ??? Watch cricket for cricket’s sake ba.. afterall chennai fans are known for upholding the ’spirit’ of the game… :-p

]]> By: F e r r a r i http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36784 F e r r a r i Wed, 09 May 2007 10:43:24 +0000 http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36784 Ok. Vaas is decent. Happy? ;) Ok. Vaas is decent. Happy? ;)

]]> By: raj http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36782 raj Wed, 09 May 2007 10:39:14 +0000 http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36782 Also, Ferrari, you wanted to qualify your statement and in your haste, named Vaas as an offender. Would you care to elaborate on that? Also, Ferrari, you wanted to qualify your statement and in your haste, named Vaas as an offender. Would you care to elaborate on that?

]]> By: raj http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36781 raj Wed, 09 May 2007 10:38:30 +0000 http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36781 Ferrari, thats fine. Don't support SL because they are Asian. But the fact is you know nary a thing about chucking and the findings - ICC panel containing a bitter critic of Murali, Michael Holding, found that in terms of flexion, the seemingly perfect ones like McGrath et al only bend a few parts of a degree lesser than Murali. Dont trust your naked eye. Trust science. Bio-mech tests have cleared murali, not once, not twice but thrice. Fact that you dont want to believe that shows more about your pre-determined stance. I'll ask one question: Can anyone else in the planet stand on the bowling crease, throw, chuck, whatever, and generate more turn or equal turn or spin as Murali-? Then we can debate that Murali is getting special advantage by 'chucking'? How did Rules of the game(Cricket calls them Laws - the absurd self-importance of a mere sport. I mean, if no player is bigger than the game, then no game is bigger than life itself and has no right to impose laws on its practitioners - it can merely have rules). become more important than common sense. By throwing you can get advantage if you are a quick bnolwer- obviously you can bowl faster. How does a spinner get advantage by throwing, I cannot understand. Surely you dont claim that even your mom can spin as much if she flexed her elbows like Murali? Murali is a credit to Sri Lanka, and the sport of Cricket in the way he has challenged his boundaries, and in the way he has fought adversity and come out on top smiling. How can someone be a cheat for playing the game with joy, and giving it his all. Have you seen him bowling, thinking out batsman, his enthusiastic fielding? If Cricket doesnt want to apply the findings of bio-mechanical science and wants to throw him out of Cricket, he will certainly not be the loser. Really, Asian has got nothing to do with my defence of Murali. To me, he is the Brian Lara of bowling, sheer bliss to watch for his craft, and when on song, no one in the world comes even half-close. Chucking is just a western character-assassination tool - just like they created the ball-tampering controversy on Sachin to defame him - and they failed miserably on that one. On another note, You surely dont mean that it is India vs Rest for you? Isnt it BCCI vs rest? :-) Ferrari, thats fine. Don’t support SL because they are Asian. But the fact is you know nary a thing about chucking and the findings - ICC panel containing a bitter critic of Murali, Michael Holding, found that in terms of flexion, the seemingly perfect ones like McGrath et al only bend a few parts of a degree lesser than Murali. Dont trust your naked eye. Trust science.
Bio-mech tests have cleared murali, not once, not twice but thrice. Fact that you dont want to believe that shows more about your pre-determined stance.
I’ll ask one question: Can anyone else in the planet stand on the bowling crease, throw, chuck, whatever, and generate more turn or equal turn or spin as Murali-? Then we can debate that Murali is getting special advantage by ‘chucking’? How did Rules of the game(Cricket calls them Laws - the absurd self-importance of a mere sport. I mean, if no player is bigger than the game, then no game is bigger than life itself and has no right to impose laws on its practitioners - it can merely have rules). become more important than common sense. By throwing you can get advantage if you are a quick bnolwer- obviously you can bowl faster. How does a spinner get advantage by throwing, I cannot understand. Surely you dont claim that even your mom can spin as much if she flexed her elbows like Murali?

Murali is a credit to Sri Lanka, and the sport of Cricket in the way he has challenged his boundaries, and in the way he has fought adversity and come out on top smiling. How can someone be a cheat for playing the game with joy, and giving it his all. Have you seen him bowling, thinking out batsman, his enthusiastic fielding? If Cricket doesnt want to apply the findings of bio-mechanical science and wants to throw him out of Cricket, he will certainly not be the loser. Really, Asian has got nothing to do with my defence of Murali. To me, he is the Brian Lara of bowling, sheer bliss to watch for his craft, and when on song, no one in the world comes even half-close. Chucking is just a western character-assassination tool - just like they created the ball-tampering controversy on Sachin to defame him - and they failed miserably on that one.
On another note, You surely dont mean that it is India vs Rest for you? Isnt it BCCI vs rest? :-)

]]> By: F e r r a r i http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36767 F e r r a r i Wed, 09 May 2007 09:50:34 +0000 http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36767 I didn't plot anything. I didn’t plot anything.

]]> By: anon http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36765 anon Wed, 09 May 2007 09:49:29 +0000 http://prabhukrish.net/2007/05/08/pot-calling-the-kettle-black/#comment-36765 you have lost the plot you have lost the plot

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