A team which is world famous for its cheating, and has the most successful chucker in the history of cricket is calling someone as a cheat. Ha ha ha.
A team which is world famous for its cheating, and has the most successful chucker in the history of cricket is calling someone as a cheat. Ha ha ha.
on 08 May 2007 at 8:41 pm # anantha
ouch! I can agree with the latter part of your statement, because chucking has become a matter of opinion, sadly. But labeling the whole Sri Lankan team as world famous cheaters? Whoa! Where did that one come from?
on 08 May 2007 at 8:53 pm # F e r r a r i
Anantha,
Maybe I exaggerated a bit. But these guys cheat a lot.
Cricket thillalangadi neengale ippadi kaekkalaama. Dharmasena, Ranatunga, Vaas, Murali. Arent these people enough to showcase the cheating abilities?
on 08 May 2007 at 11:48 pm # kutti
donno if u noticed Lasith Malinga’s bowling action…. to me, he clearly throws!!!
on 09 May 2007 at 7:21 am # Girish
Kutti,
U r right…Malinga ve ‘bowler’ solrathuku badila ‘thrower’ sollanum….ICC en innum avan maele action edukalai???
on 09 May 2007 at 9:58 am # Shhhh
Pot and Kettle both are black… Time to buy Vim bar !
on 09 May 2007 at 10:02 am # F e r r a r i
Kutti and Girish,
I dont know about Malinga. His action is weird, but I don’t think he bends his elbows. Enna. He is a side arm bowler
And to set the records straight, I doubt Brett Lee and Shaun Tait’s bowling actions too. Forgot one NZL bowler. Mills or something. Even he has a suspect action right?
Shhhhh,
How dare you talk about bar in bengalooru? Tsshhhhh. This is land of Taliban
on 09 May 2007 at 2:24 pm # raj
Ferrari, theriyaadha vishayathula edhukku mookku nuzhaichings?
Why do you call them cheats. Murali’s action has been analysed, re-analysed and passed due to natural problems. I’llt ell you one thing - let the best bowlers in the world stand and throw from the crease - let me see if they generate more turn than Murali. Murali is a freak. Instead of accepting that, ICC politics made him a chucker. Idhuve oru vellaikaaran irundhirnhda, he would have been called a genius: -)
Why is RAnatunga a cheat? Why Vaas, of all people? What did he do? I thinkl this is uncalled for. And the Aussie bastards? Warne unduly influenceing and intimidating the Umpire to get wickets(undeserved ones0, adhellaam unga kannukku theriyaadha? Id idnt expect at al from you.
Side arm bowling - hmm - Malinga’s action looks like Thomson’s taht is why ICC didnt call him a cheat or chucker. Else, they would have done that.
You dont understand cricket politics. Murali, RAnatunga et al were targetted and lies spread because they couldnt tolerate the success of Asian nations on the field. Ricky poting oru mayiraan. Discipline na ennanne theriyaadhu Shane warnelaam umpire-ai nokki kolai veriiyoda oduvan. Adhai ellaam ICCC fine kooda
On what do you base the statement that “these guys cheat a lot”? Throwing is asubject calling for much debate. Adhai purinjikkama, western media parappara lies-ai nambi ippadi solradhu thappu.
on 09 May 2007 at 2:24 pm # raj
Ferrari, theriyaadha vishayathula edhukku mookku nuzhaichings?
Why do you call them cheats. Murali’s action has been analysed, re-analysed and passed due to natural problems. I’llt ell you one thing - let the best bowlers in the world stand and throw from the crease - let me see if they generate more turn than Murali. Murali is a freak. Instead of accepting that, ICC politics made him a chucker. Idhuve oru vellaikaaran irundhirnhda, he would have been called a genius: -)
Why is RAnatunga a cheat? Why Vaas, of all people? What did he do? I thinkl this is uncalled for. And the Aussie bastards? Warne unduly influenceing and intimidating the Umpire to get wickets(undeserved ones0, adhellaam unga kannukku theriyaadha? Id idnt expect at al from you.
Side arm bowling - hmm - Malinga’s action looks like Thomson’s taht is why ICC didnt call him a cheat or chucker. Else, they would have done that.
You dont understand cricket politics. Murali, RAnatunga et al were targetted and lies spread because they couldnt tolerate the success of Asian nations on the field. Ricky poting oru mayiraan. Discipline na ennanne theriyaadhu Shane warnelaam umpire-ai nokki kolai veriiyoda oduvan. Adhai ellaam ICCC fine kooda pannadhillai
On what do you base the statement that “these guys cheat a lot”? Throwing is asubject calling for much debate. Adhai purinjikkama, western media parappara lies-ai nambi ippadi solradhu thappu.
on 09 May 2007 at 2:36 pm # F e r r a r i
Raj,
Australians sledge. Pass racist comments. Agree. That doesnt make Lankans angels. Ranatunga and his use of by runners makes a good case
on 09 May 2007 at 2:37 pm # F e r r a r i
And one more thing. What is this Asians vs others thing? For me it is India vs Rest. I dont care whether they are asians africans antarticans etc. Indians or not. That is all. I will never ever support someone just because they are asians
on 09 May 2007 at 3:19 pm # anon
you have lost the plot
on 09 May 2007 at 3:20 pm # F e r r a r i
I didn’t plot anything.
on 09 May 2007 at 4:08 pm # raj
Ferrari, thats fine. Don’t support SL because they are Asian. But the fact is you know nary a thing about chucking and the findings - ICC panel containing a bitter critic of Murali, Michael Holding, found that in terms of flexion, the seemingly perfect ones like McGrath et al only bend a few parts of a degree lesser than Murali. Dont trust your naked eye. Trust science.
Bio-mech tests have cleared murali, not once, not twice but thrice. Fact that you dont want to believe that shows more about your pre-determined stance.
I’ll ask one question: Can anyone else in the planet stand on the bowling crease, throw, chuck, whatever, and generate more turn or equal turn or spin as Murali-? Then we can debate that Murali is getting special advantage by ‘chucking’? How did Rules of the game(Cricket calls them Laws - the absurd self-importance of a mere sport. I mean, if no player is bigger than the game, then no game is bigger than life itself and has no right to impose laws on its practitioners - it can merely have rules). become more important than common sense. By throwing you can get advantage if you are a quick bnolwer- obviously you can bowl faster. How does a spinner get advantage by throwing, I cannot understand. Surely you dont claim that even your mom can spin as much if she flexed her elbows like Murali?
Murali is a credit to Sri Lanka, and the sport of Cricket in the way he has challenged his boundaries, and in the way he has fought adversity and come out on top smiling. How can someone be a cheat for playing the game with joy, and giving it his all. Have you seen him bowling, thinking out batsman, his enthusiastic fielding? If Cricket doesnt want to apply the findings of bio-mechanical science and wants to throw him out of Cricket, he will certainly not be the loser. Really, Asian has got nothing to do with my defence of Murali. To me, he is the Brian Lara of bowling, sheer bliss to watch for his craft, and when on song, no one in the world comes even half-close. Chucking is just a western character-assassination tool - just like they created the ball-tampering controversy on Sachin to defame him - and they failed miserably on that one.
On another note, You surely dont mean that it is India vs Rest for you? Isnt it BCCI vs rest?
on 09 May 2007 at 4:09 pm # raj
Also, Ferrari, you wanted to qualify your statement and in your haste, named Vaas as an offender. Would you care to elaborate on that?
on 09 May 2007 at 4:13 pm # F e r r a r i
Ok. Vaas is decent. Happy?
on 09 May 2007 at 5:25 pm # Sshhhhh
You do get carried away.. dont you.. ??? Watch cricket for cricket’s sake ba.. afterall chennai fans are known for upholding the ’spirit’ of the game… :-p
on 09 May 2007 at 6:15 pm # Deepak
If you are trying to call malinga a chucker i accept but if thats targeted at murali you can t be more wrong
He’s been cleared not once but thrice by ICC , the irony being all three times the lead scientist is an Australian
on 09 May 2007 at 8:12 pm # anantha
Ferrari:
Cricket thillalangadi neengale ippadi kaekkalaama.
heh.. adhu naale dhaan kekkaren.
Dharmasena, Ranatunga, Vaas. Arent these people enough to showcase the cheating abilities?
What? why?
Maybe I exaggerated a bit. But these guys cheat a lot.
First line a sonnadhaye, eppadi second line la contradict pannara?
Ranatunga’s by runner issue is what I want to touch on. See according to the rules of cricket (gully or first class / international), you can have a by-runner only if the opposing captain agrees. If everyone else (i.e the other captains) had no issues, why should that be construed cheating.
Moreover, I am at a loss to figure out where his “runner” use became so much of an issue. My memories of Ranatunga are not of him using a runner, but him gliding the ball down through the vacant slips and WALKING through for a single. I will try to find out (if at all possible) if he used “runners” to the extent that you seem to think he did. But I suspect that your hatred stems up from a cooked up fact that Indian cricket fans like to repeat to others - like the famed Shastri defensive stroke after he danced coming down the wicket as if he was going to lift the ball over long on or log off.
And I am a big fan of Murali and it is sad that he has been reduced to an object of ridicule from everyone and their pet dog for the only reason that he has unnaturally formed arm. Let Murali be. Like someone said, there has been three studies on him and he has been cleared everytime. The other bloody Aussies including the drug chewing, booking friendly Shane Warne (don’t get me wrong, I admire Warne for his skills!) and their Prime Minister shoot their mouth off and in doing so, they don’t understand that their are dissing one of their own premier universities.
As for Dharmasena, he might have been a member of their WC winning squad in ‘96 (i think), but your putting him into that quartet seems to elevate him into lofty heights.
on 09 May 2007 at 10:32 pm # Srivathsan
regarding murali i will feel happy if he passes the good old check of chucking…
keep a camlin plastic scale in his arm…if it breaks he is chucking…
simple..but powerful[;)
on 09 May 2007 at 11:20 pm # elite
hey all,
murali and SL is really talented but kudos to them who brought the negative tactics to the game. Aussies picked those very well and used it against almost all the teams and perfectly acheived success.
one has to play postivitely, when frustarted those muralis, ashley giles, warnes started using negative tactics which was found by the great ranatunga and followed by the legend steve waugh. can any one tell the way jayasurya is bowling is positive way of playing cricket. he almost bowls a horizontal ball and that too consitently 6 times an over. well u can call that his talent as he didnt cross the cricket rules. but to the spectators it will be boring and brings down the enthu.
P.S: on a funny note, indians on this regard should be appreciated as they play very much positive cricket. whether it is a bangladesh, zimbabwe, SL, pak or aus, they will loose or win according to the potential of the opponents
on 10 May 2007 at 3:17 am # Anand
“How does a spinner get advantage by throwing, I cannot understand.”
Very true…
and btw…the talk has moved away from the point (the squash ball)
My point is .. will the Australian team accept it if Sehwag/Sachin have squash balls in their gloves ??
(hehehe.. its different matter whether they will actually make use of it but still..)
on 10 May 2007 at 3:40 pm # raj
Anand, spot-on. If Sehswag/Younis/Sanath/Ramnaresh had used a squash ball, you can bet your last paisa that ICC and Malcolm Speed would have by now made sanctimonious statements and Mr. Gilly and Mr Ricky would have made lofty noises about the “Spirit of Cricket”.
Mr Gilly is the one who extracted a lot of mileage out of his “Walking” habit, inspute of being a Rowdy Wicket Keeper who is not exactly averse to laughable LBW appeals for Warne ( how is that int he spirit of Cricket). besides, Gilly uses the Stump Mike to advertise products he endorses. If anyone else did it, esp. an Asian, we would have had loads of bull shit froM the like of Roebuck about the crass commercialisation of the gentleman’s game.
Western Media has built up a undeserved halo over Gilchrist and an undeserved negative of image of Murali. Sad that the Indian media and casual cricket (non) watchers like the blog owner make big sanctimonious statements withoug an idea of what they are talking about.
on 10 May 2007 at 3:42 pm # raj
elite, by the same token, you could call McGrath boring because he bowls on the same spot and cramps the batsmen. Thats nonsense ofcourse - McGrath is a great bowler and while Jayasurya isnt, there is no reason to slam him for batsmen’s inability to hit him. As a matter of fact, Gilchrist pasted jaya in the WC FInals so it can be done - only todays pampered and over hyped batsmen are not able to do it.
on 10 May 2007 at 3:44 pm # raj
And Malinga doesnt throw - and this one, even the biased Western media wont call - why? Because he has an action similar to Jeff Thomson’s and White Men dont chuck or cheat E V E R = hence proved
on 10 May 2007 at 7:16 pm # elite
raj,
grath bowling on the same spot? r u kidding? he has variety. he bowls all the balls perfect. whether is it a yorker or swinging ball.
dont forget the ball to sachin and dravid in supersix match in 1999 WC. both are outswinging ball and grath perfectly bowled it both of them. the ball just kissed theri bat and went to keeper before these two realise. both are at differnet heights. if you could call him boring, he could not bowled in a way that the ball is at the same point ratio to theri heights. this is talent man.
where as jaya almost bowls under arm delivery. you cant loft him. mostly if u c, his wkts will be bowled or stumped or catch at the point.
yes Gilly smashed jaya in the 07 finals but blame it to the fielding of SL that day. gilly didnt loft the ball. he also played flat.
can i now term jaya as negative bowler. u cant say grath like that. he gives batsmen a opp to play where as jaya dont.
this is training of dav whatmore, i suspect. the same can be seen in bangla team as well