Today morning, Mysore police intercepted 2 guys(suspected terrorists). But something extremely shocking happened after that. The guys opened fire at the police(This is expected), and the police retaliated. Damn it! How dare the police retaliate? Then whats the difference between terrorists and police?
Does anyone think of how much pain, the arrested guys families will undergo now? And what is the proof these guys are really terrorists. The case against them is very weak no? And where is the evidence?
Shouldnt they(police) have waved white flag and offered rose/sweets etc to the terrorists? Better, they should have lit a candle and waved at the terrorists. This is a gross violation of human rights!
on 27 Oct 2006 at 12:03 pm # KP
until i read the last paragraph I was shocked about your views…
on 27 Oct 2006 at 12:19 pm # prabha
vara vara endha human rights activists panra attulyam thaangalai!!!
on 27 Oct 2006 at 12:37 pm # vatsan
adu podathu, if they get shot in the chest, they should turn around and get shot in the bck too
like jesus says, oru kanathula adi vangina, show the other kannam
on 27 Oct 2006 at 12:53 pm # Karthik
LOL at Vatsan’s comment.
Ivanga attozhiyam thanga mudiyala, Modhalla human rights activist nu yaarellam sollikarangalo avangala thookula podanum.
on 27 Oct 2006 at 12:58 pm # KP
“Modhalla human rights activist nu yaarellam sollikarangalo avangala thookula podanum.”
konjam too much
on 27 Oct 2006 at 1:38 pm # b a l a j i
kudos to the team that foiled their plan….
god knows what would have happened had they succeeded…. 5 years later… when the court announces capital punishment for the terrorists…… there would be agitation and protests…….
on 27 Oct 2006 at 1:45 pm # Bindu
@Karthik - Not all human rights activists are like that. So, pointing a finger at all of them is not so nice.
@Vatsan - Jesus’s remark isn’t for such people. He did make use of the whip for a special few.
@Prabhu - Whatever happened then? Did they register a case?
on 27 Oct 2006 at 5:43 pm # Sundaresan
hmmm….onga thalaivar cho paanila nakkal?..can’t say anything more to agree with you.
on 27 Oct 2006 at 7:43 pm # Spiderman
Vatsan,
Yesu naadar sonna cheek is on the face.
Its a different matter that activists like Arundhati Roy are writing cover stories in articles(http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20061030&fname=Cover+Story+%28F%29&sid=1) advising people to show not only the cheek(on the face) but whatever else they got until the terrorists get tired of seeing it and run away to Usmanistaan to see something more interesting.
on 27 Oct 2006 at 9:59 pm # Sriram
And your point is?
on 27 Oct 2006 at 10:25 pm # SamY
he he :)) … very soon they’ll be a group calling itself anti-human-rights activists :p
on 27 Oct 2006 at 11:32 pm # Shyam
Ferrari,
You should add the fact that there is no justice in the courts (if some poor judge who has given up his right to live and identifies these innocent souls as terrorists and wishes to hang them).
on 28 Oct 2006 at 6:38 am # rubic_cube
Not in good taste, Ferrari.
on 28 Oct 2006 at 9:04 am # priya
me too was confused like KP.. :-p
on 28 Oct 2006 at 11:26 am # curses
errr.. who protested?
on 28 Oct 2006 at 11:53 am # Rights Activist
We will protest againt sarcasm!
on 28 Oct 2006 at 2:19 pm # Anonymous
RC said it - this is not in good taste. for my part, i feel this is in really bad taste.
on 28 Oct 2006 at 9:32 pm # Anonymous
sikku vizhunda cassette..keechu keechu sound again
on 30 Oct 2006 at 9:38 am # Anonymous
What do you have against rights activists???
unga previous post on “hang afzal guru” padi, even if afzal guru was hanged, what gaurentee do you have that these terrorists in mysore wouldnt have carried out their plan??
the more u become authoritarian, the more will they get support from even the moderate of their community and the more will terrorism flourish. Your attitude is extremely simplistic, and has no relevance in addressing the issue.
As Ms Azmi said in a recent interview, its not a war between muslims or christians, or muslims or hindus, its a war between extremist hindus, christians and muslims and moderate hindus, christians and muslims…
neengalum unga Cho guru naatharum Godra violence um athula nyayam kekra vangaluku support panni en evalo kural kudukala??? why have they been comfortably forgotten??? unless the wrongs of the past have been set right, we cannot dream of freeing the present and future of wrongs.
A post in ridiculously bad taste.
on 30 Oct 2006 at 10:55 am # Cacaphonix
anon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
unga previous post on “hang afzal guru” padi, even if afzal guru was hanged, what gaurentee do you have that these terrorists in mysore wouldnt have carried out their plan??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
im an extermist (be a hindu or muslim or christian, that is left to your assumption). i simply want afsal guru to die..an eye for an eye no worries if he comes again and takes my only left eye. by your logic i am expecting you to open a counselling session. let me know when you and your akin counsellors are ready. i wish to join and sing sarE jahaan sE achcha. as a bonus i’ll kill whomever you want me to kill that includes you too. anyway i will get another anon for give counselling to me won’t i?
on 30 Oct 2006 at 11:26 am # F e r r a r i
RC,
You too? Am not able to get the link now. But rediff published a photo series on the family of the people, who lost their lives in the delhi bomb blast. Please have a look at that
And dear Anon’s,
what all you said? Bad taste. Where were you when godhra happened? If one person is killed, 100 more will arise. And blah blah. Ok. Am I asking for pardoning the criminals, who caused the godhra violence? Whereas you are asking for the terrorists to be pardoned!
Do you think terrorism will be solved, if all the terrorists are given life sentence?
And one anon says ‘Unless the past is corrected’. Define past. How far should we go back? 1st century? 2nd century? Tell me.
BTW I would like to know what the activists are going to say for this guy who got convicted in priyadarshini matoo case. Should he be hanged till death? Or there will be 100 more killers, since this guy was killed and so he must be sentenced for life?
Cacaphonix,
Well said!
on 30 Oct 2006 at 12:21 pm # rubic_cube
Ferro: I think you misinterpreted my comment. My sincerest empathies with the families that were affected. I only objected to your application of sarcasm to this issue. I would rather read a serious post about this than a funny one. I rest my case.
on 30 Oct 2006 at 1:39 pm # Anonymous
Listen ferro.. even ur talk can be blah blah to someone else… Please dont make a burning social issue, a petty ego clash. Without a open ear to the other side, no use trying to take up a stance.
on 30 Oct 2006 at 1:46 pm # F e r r a r i
RC,
Well, I was trying to be sarcastic!
Anon,
If my talk is blah blah to someone else, its not my problem. And why should you even listen to someone who is sentenced by not one but three courts. You all feel more clever and knowledgable than the supreme court eh?
on 30 Oct 2006 at 3:27 pm # Anonymous
isnt this being childish??? “supreme court” represented by a couple of judges(who are as fallible as you and me) becomes the ultimate source of intteligence and knowledge???? chinna pillaigalam “poda, enga appa kita soliduven.. avar periya thuppaki eduthundu vanthu unga elarayum sutuduvar”.. apdinu solume, athu madri iruku… And if u dont care if ur talk is blah blah to someone else, dont u realise the feelin could be mutual?? Neither would they care if u turn a deaf ear to their talk.
supreme court isnt God. Neither are human rights activists. Grow up please.
on 30 Oct 2006 at 3:36 pm # F e r r a r i
WOW WOW WOW WOW
You dont know anything about afzal. But you want him to be pardoned. Whereas the judges, who sit over the cases spend so much time analysing the facts and arguments of both defense and prosecution are fools eh? And not anyone can become a supreme court judge, unlike the human rights activists. All you need is a candle and a right to protest
And at the end you ask me to grow up. Keep them(The intelligent arguments) coming. Makes my otherwise boring monday interesting anonymous! LOL! I understand you are really frustrated and irritated with me. But then, why drag the poor supreme court judges into this? Tch tch
on 30 Oct 2006 at 3:55 pm # Anonymous
refreshing your memory… you dragged the supreme court into this… And excuse me, what made you assume that the human rights activists havent done their home work???
its not just the rights activists… a section of the print media too has gone into extensive research on the issue…
when you seek quick justice for the cops who lost their lives in the parliament attack ( they knew they ran the risk as part of their profession) why wasnt this hue and cry raised when innocents lost their lives in the godhra carnage?? And for that matter, why dont any of us seek revenge and justice for the army jawans who lose their lives day in and day out, trying to keep us safe???
And what do I get, by becoming frustrated with someone I dont even know??? which is why, i said, dont turn a social issue in a petty kuzhai adi sandai. Its not a matter of ego clash. Unfortunately, its far more serious.
on 30 Oct 2006 at 3:56 pm # rubic_cube
You know what, the argument here is more interesting than the post itself.
on 30 Oct 2006 at 4:08 pm # F e r r a r i
This statement of yours sums up
‘when you seek quick justice for the cops who lost their lives in the parliament attack ( they knew they ran the risk as part of their profession)’
Hmmm. Funny you are talking about human rights.
on 30 Oct 2006 at 5:38 pm # Anonymous
in your haste to have me cornered, you missed the next sentence…
“And for that matter, why dont any of us seek revenge and justice for the army jawans who lose their lives day in and day out, trying to keep us safe??? “
why do we keep our mouths shut in this case?? why didnt we go behind each pak soldier and hang them for killin our guys at kargil?? Why didnt we hang the politicians who killed the IIT engineer who stood against corruption in the Golden quadrilateral project? why didnt we kill the guys responsible for killing the IIM-
L grad, in the petrol bunk case?? why all the attention to afzal guru, monica bedi and jessica lal??? Where did your sense of justice go in those cases??? did you run a multiple post crusade, slinging mud at passersby as you do now??
Because the media knows it can sell. And people like you make it sell.
This whole discussion is a farce. You feel strongly about something, because you see only what the media wants you to see.
on 30 Oct 2006 at 5:47 pm # F e r r a r i
I dont need to corner you. You are in a corner already
Even if you combine the sentences, you hardly make sense.
And if you know me better, you know how much I like the media!
So your argument is like this. Till we find every terrorist/wrong doer etc we should not hang afzal. Am surprised, why you didnt include the hunter who killed lord krishna in the list. He should also be brought to book no?
And going by your so called intellectuals, why arrest the terrorists alone? leave them scot free no. Then there is no holy war!
And FYI, I am not trying to sell anything here. It is my space, and I express what I feel like and what I feel is right. End of discussion. You have no say in it, how much ever you scream!
And saying that government should follow what the court has ordered is mud slinging eh? All the best. May god bless you
on 30 Oct 2006 at 7:52 pm # Soliloquist
“And saying that government should follow what the court has ordered is mud slinging eh?”.
The Indian Constituition clearly defines what the role of Executive and Judiciary are. The apex court also has its limitaions.
“I am not trying to sell anything here…” The media sells, and you buy. In this manner you make it saleable.
“And if you know me better, you know how much I like the media”.
Merely sayin I hate the media, media is crap isnt going to keep you immune from their sway. Media has long lost its neutrality, its up to an individual’s discretion to take things at their face value or not. Exposing oneself to both sides of the coin would probably make one a better judge of the situation.
“I dont need to corner you. You are in a corner already Even if you combine the sentences, you hardly make sense.”
This again is a childish statement. You are side lining issues and bring people into fore. All that i am asking is, please think about the other person’s argument before responding. Dont jump up with a retort to anything and everything that is said contrary to your views.
“And going by your so called intellectuals, why arrest the terrorists alone? leave them scot free no”
All that I am trying to say is its not a game of black and white. There are many shades to the issue and eduthen kavuthen nu pesitu alaya koodathu. ( that is, if you really need a solution.)
“Am surprised, why you didnt include the hunter who killed lord krishna in the list. He should also be brought to book no?”
the instances I gave are more recent than the parliament attack. If you find them erazed from your memory, then it just proves that you remember only what the media wants you to remember. I rest my case.
“. It is my space, and I express what I feel like and what I feel is right. End of discussion. You have no say in it, how much ever you scream!”
If you read the discussion thread again, you d probably find out who is getting agitated and who is screaming. No one is contesting your right to express yourself. That surely, I hope you understand, is not the topic of discussion.
I know you would get spurred to put up another post on the same lines again soon enough because of all this commenting. (Going by past examples) I gain nothing by way of this argument. Just that I cant help wasting my two cents whenever people throw ridiculously crude opinions in air, under the cloak of cynism. (Cho isnt god either, has supported the wrong people many times in the past.)
on 30 Oct 2006 at 8:23 pm # F e r r a r i
Finally you come out of the shell. Good
I wish to say the same. You are the one who is retorting to name calling, not just now but always(Going by past examples). So that clearly shows who is agitated. And I have been trying to control my laughter whenever I am typing a response to you. Tell me this. Are you really serious in your views? He he. I find them extremely funny.
On a different note, what do you say about todays verdict on satish sharma? Delhi high court is wrong there no?
And FYI, there is no verdict on godhra now. If I had said, leave the godhra criminals, dont try them then you can talk about double standards. Just because government shamelessly doctored stuff in godhra and let the criminals scotfree doesnt mean, we do the same in all other cases.
And the argument of ‘You punish x, you punish y, then you punizh z’ is adultish eh? Agree with you that who caused godhra needs to be punished. But that doesnt mean, you turn a blind eye towards the criminals who are so arrogant? What are you suggesting? Close all the cases. Take the godhra one (Ignore the 1983 ok?) and from then on pick and choose everything and go in that order?
I am not sure how many blogs you read. But I wish you go and read this comment from Zx.
But then (going by past examples) you ignore the comments made by other bloggers on this issue.
http://www.theotherindia.org/human-rights/why-care-about-a-man-called-afzal.html#comments
Relax. Have a good night sleep. Dont worry. Everything will be alright. This much tension and erichal not good for health.
on 31 Oct 2006 at 9:42 am # Soliloquist
God, I do need a shell from such extraordinary “common sense”. But There can be more than one reason why a person choses to maintain anonymity. Not just to hide behind a wall and throw a stone or two.
“And I have been trying to control my laughter whenever I am typing a response to you”. “It is my space, and I express what I feel like and what I feel is right. End of discussion. You have no say in it, how much ever you scream”.
Do you sound so vexed when you laugh??? Gee, must see that, would be a rare sight.
Anyway, this is totally out of context. why do i care what you do when you reply to my comments?? For all that i am concerned, you could even be standing on your head doing sirasasanam.
See, the satish sharma case is not one of terrorism. Its an individual vs individual crime, which has the potential to affect the society. And the motive behind it is also drastically different. Here again, you are losing sight of the bigger picture. An issue needs to be addressed, not a particular instance. I ve nothing against the judiciary, except that i feel the supreme court is supreme only in the structure of courts of law in the country, and not supreme in every other context.
“Just because government shamelessly doctored stuff in godhra and let the criminals scotfree doesnt mean, we do the same in all other cases.”
How can you be so sure? If after 5 years, some news channel does a sting operation and discovers that somebody was wrongly framed, to cover up for the real criminals, what would your reaction be ???
“you turn a blind eye towards the criminals who are so arrogant?”
Where does arrogance come in the scene? Is arrogance a crime punishable by the law of the land?
“But then (going by past examples) you ignore the comments made by other bloggers on this issue”
Why should i take note of them?? Is this my blog? I am commenting on a post. My questions are addressed to the author of the post. I dont have to interact with the people who come to his defense. You clarify your stance. Dont ask me to look into someone else’s interpretation of your stance.
“This much tension and erichal not good for health. “
I still fail to understand why you think i am suffering from erichal. erichal against whom? you? cho? your posts? your “popularity” ??? Or life in general? Or the supreme court? Or the families of the cops killed in the parliament attack?
What am I getting out of this conversation? Personally, nothing.Neither are you losing anything in this. Its not a personal one on one battle. Lets ascertain that first.
on 31 Oct 2006 at 9:57 am # Cacaphonix
i’m totally amused to see why you guys are turning a henious crime into a “social issue”? guys this beats me left & right.
a person does a henious crime — masterminds a bloody genocide; a person does another henious crime — abducts, rapes and brutally kills a woman. these are two individual criminals. people arrested, cases filed, argued, heeded and hence judged as perpertors of these henious acts. india is one of a few countries where capital punishment (CP) are given sparingly. supreme court (SC) many a times has mentioned & uphold the fact that ‘CP shall be used in rarest of the rarest occasions’. what it means is, from the cases judged perspective not from those subsets which get media attention. 1000s of rape cases are heard in courts, many of them are rape & murders, when courts see that 1) there is a slight doubt in the prosecution side and/or 2) the accused is a person who repents and is ready to change they do not resort into CP. Similar for murder cases. So we should take that when at the SC level a criminal is confirmed for CP then it means that necessary items are taken into consideration.
those who argue for the case of no CP stand from a idealogical perspective. for them there should not be any state sponsored killing. with all due respect to the ideology (for i too am a person who like to see no crimes, no killings), i say it is ridiculous. the reason is not that i take the other end of the prism but that they refuse to see the social/nation system. a society/nation needs to have weapons like this; a society/nation has to use it in extreme cases. this is the very reason a society/nation is having military forces. this is the very reason the same nation the military is not used on all occassions (a top military person later once said something like ‘you do not know how the mental state of a jawan would be when he is used for against his own people. at one side he has to do his duty and at the otherside he is acting against his own people’, about operation bluestar). these weapons CP, military action are like those extreme steps of amputation of a limb during extreme medical situation. if amputation is not done then that will be deadly for the patient. religious preachers, visionaries (buddha, jesus, mahaveera, vallalar et al), human rights activists are those who should make sure that the shall no formation of future afsal gurus. unfortunately these activists are playing the fiddle for afsal guru who through his kins, is not pleading for pardon by expressing repent and willingness for turning good, but rather questions the judicial system. here i am not taking the ‘questioning of judicial system’ into ego mode. it merely shows that afsal has not repented. it merely shows that he wishes to continue the same and if people dont see his reasoning he questions their ability. this is insane of his part and so is the sanity of those who do not see this and blindly support him by taking ideaological turn.
judicial system, though wants correction, prima facie is “judging” system. it does post-mortem. it sees an act that is committed is right or wrong with the help of scriptures (laws). it pronounces the verdict accordingly. these shall be followed. questioning it is equivalent to the thamizh proverb ‘dog barking on the sun’ - a wrong act on a wrong body. those ‘majority of the world countries’, sweden, norway, et al (tiny, rich, heaven of world) live without CP merely because there was no need to have them. it means these countries have not seen the wrath of terrorism yet (god willing let them not see them too).
as i mentioned — let our preachers, human rights activists turn all violent people to see goodness in non-violence, let them make the rapists repent and not to become rapists then let us scrap the law. until then we do not have right to say so.
on 31 Oct 2006 at 9:58 am # Cacaphonix
ferro…sorry for eating up too much of space.
on 31 Oct 2006 at 10:04 am # F e r r a r i
Cacaphonix,
See. Human Right activists just dont care about reforming a criminal. All they are fighting for is, there should no capital punishment irrespective of the crime committed. They fail to realise, by doing this more terrorists will be encouraged since they are assured irrespective of how many people they kill, at the maximum they will be in jail. They can fall ill, and governments like that of kerala will pass a resolution so that they get treated outside on bail. That is all.
You are most welcome
I find it extremely hilarious, that people on road are hurling abuses at the supreme court judges. Silly I say
on 31 Oct 2006 at 12:06 pm # Bindu
// there should no capital punishment irrespective of the crime committed.
@ferrari - Yeah, Even I agree with that. Capital punishment is not the most deadliest punishment in the world Prabhu. And doing so, doesnt discourage terrorists either. Those people are not afraid of death…
Its just that the world needs a more promising way of punishment. Not a 2 minute painful death.
on 31 Oct 2006 at 3:50 pm # Karthik
Ferro: Looking at this post after a long time. Looks like lot have happened.
One thing beats me. How idealistic can one be? CP is bad; it is after all killing a person. No one, not even the executioner wants to kill someone. But for that we should be in an ideal place which we are not in.
If we stop killing terrorists, Anon tells us that there will be no more people changing from moderates to terrorists. How true?
There are 100 crimes, why not punish everyone, but pavam Afzal guy, he just killed some people because of some whim or fantasy he had. Whatever.
But stopping punishment to this guy does not stop anything; on the contrary it will open-up lot of avenues for them to escape. I am not defending corruption here, but this is the right way to tackle nothing.
Dear Human rights people,
there are lot of people dying of hunger, dying in street platforms, etc., etc., plz turn ur attention to those poor souls, instead of criminals. They need you.
@Bindu: I am not pointing fingers. India HRA are generalizing themselves.
on 31 Oct 2006 at 6:52 pm # Cacaphonix
Bindu,
If those people are not afraid of death then why should we keep them? To kill more people? To easier/facilitate moulding of more people?
This aside, a punishment to a criminal should not be done merely seeing whether those criminals are afraid of the punishment or not, it is mainly to give punishment for the act that is committed. A cold blooded killer, an unrepenting criminal, a person who could create more of his ilk soon, needs to be punished with CP.
Let us not cite falliabilty as reason to scrap the CP. We need to be doubly-triply sure when we give CP. Rightly, so uptill our SC this is ensured. If something goes beyond that let us take it as accident and try to safe-guard from future recurrence. Because accidents are occurring we cannot stop travelling.
on 01 Nov 2006 at 12:47 am # Anonymous
Scew the HR activists..hang afzal on flimsy evidence as this genius suggestss.
Real terrorists will be very pleased that justcice has been done - case is closed …plan the next attack now that all investigations are closed
on 01 Nov 2006 at 9:28 am # Cacaphonix
anon,
have something chill to cool your stomach –stomach burning causes ulcer then it would make you ineffective in performing your ‘god-send’ activity.
on 01 Nov 2006 at 11:45 am # Anon
very good post. Can u write one similiar to this reg the stand taken by Menaka on street dogs. According to me they should be culled and roads be made safe for People.
on 02 Nov 2006 at 12:51 pm # Anon
have a serious suspicion that ferrari doubles up as cacophonix to create extra cacaphony
on 02 Nov 2006 at 12:56 pm # Anon
Afzal guru was a surrendered extremist, who tried to give it all up… But his returned to hound him… the people of kashmir can understand such a pressure… what does GoI do to protect them from all this?? What do their indian bretheren do??? If such a trauma is made into a hollywood flick, people would praise it as a sensitive story of struggle and trauma, but when they confront a real situation, they take up cudgels…
The easiest thing in this world is to pass judgements. The toughest is to regret when it turns out to be wrong.
on 02 Nov 2006 at 1:47 pm # F e r r a r i
Anon,
Its easy to make cheap allegations. When I have my own blog to express my views, I dont need to post under any other name. Stop acting silly!